Blue Exhaust Smoke - High Idle - BMW R60/5

topic posted Sun, August 24, 2008 - 1:35 PM by  Patrick
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I have a 1972 R60/5 with various oil leaks (mostly the rear main seal). New spark plugs, new oil, old filter. Both of my pipes are now spewing bluish smoke primarily at idle then during an acceleration. I will be replacing the main seal and clutch soon but was wondering if the high idle was somewhat related. Run's well at speed (just completed an uneventful 230 Mile run this afternoon)

New to this bike and want to learn how to maintain and care for it. 28,000 original miles.

Thanks.
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Patrick
New York City
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    Re: Blue Exhaust Smoke - High Idle - BMW R60/5

    Sun, August 24, 2008 - 9:43 PM
    It's burning oil, it's the piston rings. How many miles on the engine?
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      Mon, August 25, 2008 - 6:23 AM
      Thanks for your response
      The bike has 28.000 original miles. Can I replace the piston rings myself with basis tools? What are the near term effects of not doing so?

      Thanks!
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        Mon, August 25, 2008 - 8:13 AM
        It's not hard to replace the rings, but depending on the engine (I am not familiar with the R60/5) the timing could be a pain.
        If you don't replace the rings you will get more blue smoke. Is this a new thing? If yo haven't used the bike for a whilem, it is possible that a ring is just stuck...
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          Thu, September 18, 2008 - 12:52 PM
          Go see Tom at Brooklyn Motorcycle Works. . . .tell him I sent ya.
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            Sun, November 2, 2008 - 12:27 PM
            Replacing the timing is generally not hard to do. I'm not familiar with the R60 engine but I'm guessing it's typical beamer, boxer OHC with chains for timing. When you get the camshaft sprocket off, put a twist-tie through one of it's bolt holes and use it to hold the chain down so it doesn't slip a tooth.

            Whenever I replace rings, I hone the cylinder as well. That way, the new parts have a new surface to lap with. You can get a hone at any auto parts store for around $25, or at Harbor Freight for about $18. Run it on a power drill at medium speed, and oscillate it in and out of the cylinder (the cylinder must be removed from the bike) until you get a nice, clean cross-hatch of 30 degrees on the honing marks. When you put it all back together, you'll need to break the engine in again, just like a new engine. No hard accelerating for about 1k miles. The end result is that you'll stop the oil burning, and retain more compression and therefore noticeably more power and less oil consumption, might even notice an increase in fuel efficiency depending on how bad the problem was to start with. With kickstarter engines, you'll have an easier time firing it up as it will retain compression much better under very very very low RPM's (kickstarting speed)

            The tools you'd need for the whole job would be an appropriate set of spanners, sockets, and a couple of screw drivers. A power drill and a cylinder hone.... That's about all.
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    Mon, November 3, 2008 - 11:28 AM
    I noticed that no one really gave you ideas regarding the idle... I'd think the blue smoke (rings) and the idle issue are separate.
    For the high idle you will need to adjust the idle (throttle stop) screws on both carbs. It is likely that you should clean/rebuild the carbs.
    Warm the bike up (to when the idle becomes too high) and depress both throttle arms of the carbs to make sure they are fully closed. Against the stop screws. try backing both screws up 1/8 turn to see if the carbs will close further.

    I would highly suggest building the $4 carb balancer menitioned on airheads.org (20ft of tubing, a yardstick and some ATF fluid) to lower your idle speed and balance your carbs. Note this should be done after your valves are adjusted and when you know your timing is correct.
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      Mon, November 3, 2008 - 4:53 PM
      I agree on balancing the carbs. There are many ways to make a balancer (or 'manometer') most of which range from half a dollar to five bucks.

      Among the basic 'first things first' checklist I always do upon ackquiring a new bike, is a carburettor teardown and thorough cleaning. Chemtool or brakleen is not a substitute, you gotta get in there with your hands and eyeballs to make sure everything is up to par. You have no idea what kind of shiz might be in those bowls, ready to get sucked into the engine, and it's foolhardy to attempt to chemically 'flush' them through, sending who knows what onto your piston crown and into your valve seats. Not to mention, I'd say at least half of the running problems I've ever encountered on bikes can be traced back to a dirty carb, simple as that.

      Take them apart, check each part carefully to make sure it's clean, make sure all your rubber plugs and gaskets are crack-free and supple. I've seen some carbs that had an extra jet (why?) in the mid-range circuit that was plugged off with a rubber plug, and if one plug is cracked or shrunken you could have high idle due to an excessively rich cylinder. Generally speaking though, fouled up carbs lead to a *lack* of power at different settings, not a surplus. The situation I just named is the only exception that I know of where internal carb damage led to excess power. Other than that, it's going to be an air leak in the manifold, or an imbalance between the two carbs, or a simple misadjustment of the idle screw.

      The manometer will tell you if your'e balanced, and then you can adjust the idle screws after that point. A manifold airleak can be hunted down by spraying very small spurts of starter fluid onto the intake manifolds... if it's a sealed system, there should be no change in idle speed. If you have a leaky or cracked manifold, you'll get quick spike in idle speed as the engine sucks in some starter fluid through the crack. Make sure to keep the starter fluid away from the main intake or airbox, as this will obviously send back a false positive on the leak check.

      Oh... and also know that some bikes require the occasional tweaking of the idle screws, that's just the way they are. I've had bikes that required almost constant tweaking at various stops as the engine temperature went up and down with the demands of the ride. I guess that's why idle screws are generally easy to access, and textured on the outside for easy manual manipulation.

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