Well, I bought my first bike about two weeks ago for $200. It's a 1982 Honda CB 650 Nighthawk SC. The guy who sold it to me tried to turn it into a custom job, by chopping the back off and welding on the back end and fender from a Harley Sportster. He intended to build this as a bike for his wife. He has also cut the tank with a welder, in an attempt to make the bike (and tank) look more 'wasp-waisted'. The welds on the tank still aren't sealed, so I would have to take it to a welder to get this done. Otherwise, I would need to get another gas tank. The guy suggested either a Harley Sportster tank, or simply a Nighthawk tank.
In the ad, the guy told me that all the bike really needed was a paint job for the frame...which seemed perfect for me since I am getting into doing murals on motorcycles (gas tanks, fenders, etc.) as well as helmets. He welded some custom handlebars for the bike which he thought looked cool, but I don't understand how they would work since they block the ignition lock.
I have also noticed that some other parts of the bike are missing, such as the speedometer/ tachyometer instrument panel.
Of course, half the Bike's engine is removed and is currently sitting in a box in the shed...along with the bike itself. However, in order to paint the frame of the bike, I will have to remove the rest of the engine (the bottom half) myself (or hopefully with some help).
I also recieved a Clymer shop manual for Honda CB fours along with the bike. I suppose this isn't as good as the owner's manual itself but it's better than nothing. The manual actually seems quite comprehensive. However, since I know very little about motorcycle mechanics it seems like quite a daunting task.
When I recieved the bike, I paid $200 in cash for it...yet neglected to get a reciept or the ownership papers for the bike. I called the guy who sold the bike to me right away, informing him of this. He told me that he would either mail the ownership to me, or mail a complex reciept to me...which would permit me to get the bike registered.
I have done quite a bit of research in regards to buying a motorcycle, especially a 'first bike'. One authour warned against the 'false economy' of purchasing a cheap 'fix-up' model, since it would cost more to repair a $200 'as is' bike than it would cost to buy a $2,000 used model that had been certified. I can certainly understand the reasoning behind this, since I must now not only purchase all the tools and parts required to get the bike up and running, but I must also invest the time to take apart the engine, paint the frame, and put the engine (and the bike) back together. Not to mention the fact that I will be effectively learning as I go.
However, even though the investment in tools and equipment for repair and maintenance of the bike might cost as much as another bike...I expect that I could save as much money by learning to do my own maintenance and repair myself. Also, if I want to get into the business of custom motorcycle murals I should become familar with disassembling and reassembling the engine in order to paint the frames of any potential customers I might have.
I can't really say that this bike is a 'rip off', since for $200 the bike is worth the cost of the tires alone. It would certainly be useful as a 'parts bike', since most of the peices of the bike seem to be there.
However, if I don't recieve the ownership/ reciept in the mail, I doubt it would be legally rideable.
Still, for a mere $200 it will be worth the experience just to custom paint the bike with a kick-ass paint job/ mural and reassemble the bike as a 'show bike'. Not to mention the experience I will get in disassembling, cleaning, tweaking, and reassembling the engine.
I am thinking of covering the tank, front and rear fender with H.R. Giger murals. However as this is my first bike (and I am bound to drop or crash it) I might want to start with something simpler, such as a flame job/ pinstripes, and so forth.
Ideally though, I would love to be able to ride this motorcycle as my first bike.
In the ad, the guy told me that all the bike really needed was a paint job for the frame...which seemed perfect for me since I am getting into doing murals on motorcycles (gas tanks, fenders, etc.) as well as helmets. He welded some custom handlebars for the bike which he thought looked cool, but I don't understand how they would work since they block the ignition lock.
I have also noticed that some other parts of the bike are missing, such as the speedometer/ tachyometer instrument panel.
Of course, half the Bike's engine is removed and is currently sitting in a box in the shed...along with the bike itself. However, in order to paint the frame of the bike, I will have to remove the rest of the engine (the bottom half) myself (or hopefully with some help).
I also recieved a Clymer shop manual for Honda CB fours along with the bike. I suppose this isn't as good as the owner's manual itself but it's better than nothing. The manual actually seems quite comprehensive. However, since I know very little about motorcycle mechanics it seems like quite a daunting task.
When I recieved the bike, I paid $200 in cash for it...yet neglected to get a reciept or the ownership papers for the bike. I called the guy who sold the bike to me right away, informing him of this. He told me that he would either mail the ownership to me, or mail a complex reciept to me...which would permit me to get the bike registered.
I have done quite a bit of research in regards to buying a motorcycle, especially a 'first bike'. One authour warned against the 'false economy' of purchasing a cheap 'fix-up' model, since it would cost more to repair a $200 'as is' bike than it would cost to buy a $2,000 used model that had been certified. I can certainly understand the reasoning behind this, since I must now not only purchase all the tools and parts required to get the bike up and running, but I must also invest the time to take apart the engine, paint the frame, and put the engine (and the bike) back together. Not to mention the fact that I will be effectively learning as I go.
However, even though the investment in tools and equipment for repair and maintenance of the bike might cost as much as another bike...I expect that I could save as much money by learning to do my own maintenance and repair myself. Also, if I want to get into the business of custom motorcycle murals I should become familar with disassembling and reassembling the engine in order to paint the frames of any potential customers I might have.
I can't really say that this bike is a 'rip off', since for $200 the bike is worth the cost of the tires alone. It would certainly be useful as a 'parts bike', since most of the peices of the bike seem to be there.
However, if I don't recieve the ownership/ reciept in the mail, I doubt it would be legally rideable.
Still, for a mere $200 it will be worth the experience just to custom paint the bike with a kick-ass paint job/ mural and reassemble the bike as a 'show bike'. Not to mention the experience I will get in disassembling, cleaning, tweaking, and reassembling the engine.
I am thinking of covering the tank, front and rear fender with H.R. Giger murals. However as this is my first bike (and I am bound to drop or crash it) I might want to start with something simpler, such as a flame job/ pinstripes, and so forth.
Ideally though, I would love to be able to ride this motorcycle as my first bike.
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Re: Frankenbike
Mon, October 15, 2007 - 2:13 PMUh, just get it running, then go crazy. Actually, then ride for a year. -
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Re: Frankenbike
Mon, October 15, 2007 - 11:21 PMNot sure what you are saying here. Just get it running and start riding it...and don't worry about doing the custom mural on it...at least for a year?
The riding season is pretty much coming to a close here in the Frozen North of Ontario. It's true that many people are still riding their motorcycles, and it's also true that there are a few brave souls willing to ride a motorcycle in the winter (provided the roads are clear).
I have to paint the bike first, in order to get it certified before I can ride it. In order to get it painted, I have to take the engine out...strip the frame to bare metal, prime it, put a coat of any colour on it, clearcoat it, then put the engine back in.
It's true that all it would need to pass the safety would be a coat of primer. I could just cruise around on a flat grey motorcycle...or flat black.
It's also true that no one really sees the painted frame.
It's also true that I can paint on this gas tank, or any gas tank, and mix and match gas tanks...or paint gas tanks, fenders, and helmets..and jackets without the bike itself.
Also, winter is the 'big season' for custom murals on motorcycles. Especially since it is 'down season' for riding motorcycles.
Since I am an airbrush artist...and not a motorcycle mechanic....getting the mural done would be the 'easy' part for me...compared to getting the bike up and running. That is, assuming that all the parts in the engine are actually running.
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Re: Frankenbike
Wed, October 24, 2007 - 7:37 PM
James...
couple things...
first... for $200 you have the incentive to learn a brand new, kinda cool thing to know... rebuilding a motorcycle.
consider the time and money you put into this to be the cost of an education... keep with that spirit and you will get a great deal out o the experience...
concern yourself too much with whether or not you got ripped off and you will not get out of it what you need to get out of it.
from the sound of it you have the right attitude.
Work hard on getting the legal paper work you need - top priority!
I am hoping that you have a friend... a good friend that would be willing to help you out with some of the major stuff...
like lifting the engine into/out of place...
Also... extremely helpful, would be someone there to help you to make ysure you are doing things that moight affect you safety wise, when you put the whole thing back together...
it ain't cool to have a wheel come flying off or some other such "incident"
keep in mind... if you do some dumb things while rebuilding a car, it may cause some problems, but you are in a hard steel shell to protect you if you need to do something desperate to stop yourself... and/or a wheel comes off - you have three that are still on...
Not so with a motorcycle.
I think you should absolutely paint it and go nuts with the paint... especially if that is the main reason you got this bike, and it is the most exciting part for you...
I think the advice to just get it together and then ride for a year is also good - heres why...
rebuilding a motorcycle is a BIG project. And, it's not all gonna be as fun as painting. (although.. for me painting it the most tedious part!) so... the concern I think being expressed is... if it don't run... if it ain't safe to ride... it don't matter how great a paint job is.
Ultimately, I think *many* others on this tribe might agree... if you got an old bike, you sure as f#*k better know how to work on it yourself - and there is no better way to learn that than rebuilding your own from scratch... where you are at.
Good Luck and keep us posted ok...
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Re: Frankenbike
Thu, October 25, 2007 - 1:20 AM
Thanks for this advice Tom. I will keep everyone posted about how the project is going.
I actually plan to keep an online blog of my activities, not only so that other people can see how a bike would be rebuilt and learn from my mistakes, but also so that I can reference it myself.
However, it seems that someone else has already beat me to the idea! This is Dave's website about the Honda Nighthawk 650SC that he rebuilt, and how he did it. I plan to use this as a guide to help me, as well as the manuals.
www.myhonda650.com/index.htm
This doesn't mean that I can't have my own blog/ site dedicated to my own rebuilding project though of course! I have actually run into a few blogs of guys putting together one of these Honda 650's as a 'project bike'.
I can certainly see the wisdom of 'holding off' on a custom paint job for a little while, since it would probably get scratched off if I dropped or crashed the bike...which is bound to happen. Also it would be my first priority to get the bike put back together and running so I could ride around on it for a while and develop my riding skills. Also, I have learned that one of the 'peculiarities' about this bike is that it tends to start smelling like burning paint at high speeds. I am wondering if getting a high temperature paint such as barbecue paint might be a good way to go...for painting the frame at least.
So, I suppose that the bike could start out as a 'rat bike' for a year...before it's incarnation as a show-bike of sorts the next year. After all, I can paint the fenders and the gas tank when the bike is back together and running properly.
Personally I think it is a good deal for $200, but it looks like I may have to invest in a few hundred dollars worth of equipment, if not a thousand. As you pointed out though, I should have this stuff and be able to repair and maintain my bike myself if I have one of these vintage machines. -
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Re: Frankenbike
Thu, October 25, 2007 - 2:13 AM> Personally I think it is a good deal for $200, but it looks like I may have to invest in a few hundred dollars worth of equipment, if not a thousand.
It's easy to spend good money even if you are not going for a perfect restoration.
I've bough a 1979 CB750K for $500 six months ago and after $2000 or so, the bike is still sitting in the garage. And I am not restoring it, just getting it on the street. True that the $2000 include EVERYTHING (insurance, registration, tools, etc..) but it's still good money.
I really don't care (I already have a XR650 that I use daily) since this bike has been bought as a "school" bike and I enjoy the process of fixing it and learning. It is the first bike I own with more than one cylinder and more than one carburetor (and I've been riding for 27 years).
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